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	<title>Pastoral Ponderings &#187; Christology</title>
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		<title>Jesus is praying for us (part 2)</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tim V-B</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is my prayer life rubbish?  Or is it divine?  Glen gives us the answer here.  Remember Isaiah 62: Jesus will not stop praying until his Church shines with salvation and righteousness.  That is good news for a sinner like me!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is my prayer life rubbish?  Or is it divine?  Glen gives us the answer <a href="http://christthetruth.wordpress.com/2010/01/04/resolved-to-pray-your-resolution-is-belated/">here</a>.  Remember Isaiah 62: Jesus will not stop praying until his Church shines with salvation and righteousness.  That is good news for a sinner like me!</p>
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		<title>You: An Introduction</title>
		<link>http://vasbyburnie.net/2009/03/28/you-an-introduction/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 10:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tim V-B</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#8217;s the question that lies behind so much of our actions and behaviour: who am I? Who are You? We live in times when asking this question is as vital as ever, yet the answers seem in short supply. Enter “You: An Introduction” by Michael Jensen. Over 15 short chapters this book explores different aspects [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="western"><a href="http://www.thegoodbook.co.uk/You-an-introduction-you_1037/largeimage"><img class="alignleft" title="You: An Introduction" src="http://www.thegoodbook.co.uk/resize/thumbnail/bookcovers/scans/you.jpg" alt="" width="100" height="140" /></a>It&#8217;s the question that lies behind so much of our actions and behaviour: who am I?  Who are You?  We live in times when asking this question is as vital as ever, yet the answers seem in short supply.  Enter “You: An Introduction” by Michael Jensen.</p>
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<p class="western">Over 15 short chapters this book explores different aspects of what it means to be human: such as having bodies or being children.  This is a fun and fascinating read. <em><span>Fun</span></em><span> because Michael Jensen writes in a conversational way about topics of immediate interest.  He is happy to quote well-known theologians The Red Hot Chili Peppers alongside some dead guy called Karl Barth.  Like the title, even the section headings within each chapter cause a wry smile in the reader. </span><em><span>Fascinating</span></em><span> because he has clearly done his research (even interviewing body piercing afficionados!) so that he writes as someone who knows both the world and the Bible.  Although short, in each chapter you will find serious engagement with issues of profound significance.</span></p>
<p class="western">
<p class="western"><span>Apart from the last three, there is no need to read each chapter in order.  This makes it great for dipping in and out of: ideal bed time reading or, dare I say it, while sitting on the toilet!  Yet from cover to cover Michael Jensen shows that the questions of who we are is essentially bound up with the question of who Jesus is.  Knowledge of Christianity is never assumed; instead, you will find a compelling portrait of Jesus and a convincing discussion of his relevance.</span></p>
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<p class="western"><span>This is a great book to give to non-Christian friends, even those who tend not to read books.  Or maybe for Christians in their late teens through to early thirties.  Certainly anyone will find a great deal here to enrich your thought and conversation with others. Perhaps the best way to use it would be as a conversation starter – maybe by being used as the basis for group reading and discussion.  “You: An Introduction” began life as a blog and each chapter concludes with some of the comments posted online, so you feel invited to continue the discussion wherever it leads.  Best of all, whether you read it individually or with others, you will discover how Jesus is the answer to our deepest questions.</span></p>
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<p class="western"><strong>Contents:</strong></p>
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<p class="western">what, anxious? 	Me?</p>
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<p class="western">What You are not</p>
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<p class="western">life</p>
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<li>
<p class="western">touched</p>
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<li>
<p class="western">body</p>
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<li>
<p class="western">free</p>
</li>
<li>
<p class="western">stuff</p>
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<p class="western">speech, speech!</p>
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<p class="western">child</p>
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<li>
<p class="western">boy/girl</p>
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<p class="western">dreams</p>
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<p class="western">deep trouble</p>
</li>
<li>
<p class="western">death</p>
</li>
<li>
<p class="western">what next?</p>
</li>
<li>
<p class="western">the real You</p>
</li>
</ol>
<p>&#8220;You: An Introduction&#8221; can be purchased from <a title="Good Book Company website" href="http://www.thegoodbook.co.uk/You-an-introduction-you_1037/">here</a>. (The Good Book Company, UK)</p>
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		<title>Names of Jesus</title>
		<link>http://vasbyburnie.net/2008/06/18/names-of-jesus/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tim V-B</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Andy Mason is leading a church plant over on the World&#8217;s End Estate, Chelsea, where I used to live.  Here&#8217;s a good list of Jesus&#8217; names from him. From: ADVOCATE: (1 John 2:1) ALMIGHTY: (Revelation 1:8) to TRUTH: (John 1:14) WORD: (John 1:1) Hang on Mason&#8230; you missed out WISDOM: (Proverbs 8)!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://andymason.blogspot.com">Andy Mason</a> is leading a church plant over on the World&#8217;s End Estate, Chelsea, where I used to live.  <a href="http://andymason.blogspot.com/2008/06/names-of-jesus.html" title="Names of Jesus">Here&#8217;s a good list</a> of Jesus&#8217; names from him.</p>
<p>From:</p>
<p>ADVOCATE: (1 John 2:1)<br />
ALMIGHTY: (Revelation 1:8)</p>
<p>to</p>
<p>TRUTH: (John 1:14)<br />
WORD: (John 1:1)</p>
<p>Hang on Mason&#8230; you missed out WISDOM: (Proverbs 8)!</p>
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		<title>Jesus the Angel of the LORD</title>
		<link>http://vasbyburnie.net/2008/03/31/jesus-the-angel-of-the-lord/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 19:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tim V-B</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A while ago I mentioned 3 talks by Simon Gathercole on the Pre-existence of Jesus. I have now listened to them myself, and here is a very brief synopsis. Talk 1 presents the dominant scholarly view, which is that at first Jesus&#8217; followers considered him a merely human figure, albeit the Messiah, or some grand [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A while ago I mentioned 3 talks by Simon Gathercole on the <a href="http://vasbyburnie.net/2008/03/04/the-pre-existent-jesus/" title="The Pre-Existent Jesus" target="_blank">Pre-existence of Jesus</a>.  I have now listened to them myself, and here is a very brief synopsis.</p>
<p>Talk 1 presents the dominant scholarly view, which is that at first Jesus&#8217; followers considered him a merely human figure, albeit the Messiah, or some grand Prophet.  Later he was viewed as a semi-divine figure, and only later (John&#8217;s gospel, Hebrews) is Jesus considered fully divine.  The Synoptic gospels (Matthew, Mark and Luke) stand mid-way along that progress of thought, which is why (it is said) they don&#8217;t really present Jesus as God.  They have no doctrine of Jesus&#8217; pre-existence, namely that a Person existed who was incarnate as Jesus of Nazareth.  Simon Gathercole starts showing the weakness of this viewpoint.</p>
<p>Talk 2 focuses on various &#8216;&#8221;I have come&#8221; + purpose&#8217; sayings.  In the synoptic gospels there are 10 such sayings e.g. Matthew 10:35, Mark 1:24.  Simon makes the point that &#8220;I have come&#8221; implies an existence before the coming.  Now, perhaps this could be simply &#8220;I was in Galilee, but now <strong>I have come </strong>to Jerusalem to do&#8230;&#8221;  However, the purpose sums up Jesus&#8217; whole life &#8211; so the natural reading is that &#8220;I have come to do&#8230;&#8221; means &#8220;I was once not in the world, but now I am, and I have come to&#8230;&#8221;.  I.e. Jesus exists before his birth.  Talk 2 focuses mainly on &#8220;I have come + purpose&#8221; sayings in the OT and other ancient Jewish literature, showing that they refer to heavenly beings (e.g. Angel of the LORD or various angels in Jewish literature) who are sent / have come to do certain things.  A heavenly existence prior to the event of coming is always assumed.</p>
<p>Talk 3 then looks in detail at the 10 sayings in the Synoptic gospels, showing that they indeed read most naturally as implying Jesus&#8217; pre-existence and his coming into the world to achieve / do certain things.</p>
<p>Okay, fair enough &#8211; for many people it is transparently obvious that Jesus existed before his birth.  But many theologians / scholars do enjoy writing about silly stuff, and it does filter down into the local church, so it&#8217;s good to be aware of their nonsense and a Biblical response.</p>
<p>One bit I enjoyed was a passing comment about some of the gospel passages that may be &#8220;the tip of the iceberg&#8221; of the view that Jesus is the incarnation of the Angel of the LORD.  (NB just read Genesis to discover many appearances of the Angel, and remember that &#8216;Angel&#8217; means &#8216;Messenger&#8217; or &#8216;Sent One&#8217; so it doesn&#8217;t have to mean shiny creature with wings and harps.)</p>
<p>Matthew 10:34 &#8220;<span class="woc">Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword&#8221; could </span>be an allusion to Joshua 5:13-14 (the commander of the army of the LORD who Joshua sees with drawn sword) and/or 1 Chronicles 21 (the Angel of the LORD who stands between heaven and earth with drawn sword) and/or Numbers 22:31 (Balaam and his donkey see the Angel of the LORD standing with drawn sword).</p>
<p>Also, Luke 12:49 &#8220;<span class="woc">I came to cast fire on the earth, and would that it were already kindled!&#8221; could be alluding to Genesis 19:24, where the LORD on earth rains down fire on Sodom and Gomorrah &#8220;from the LORD-out-of-the-heavens.&#8221;</span></p>
<p>Simon didn&#8217;t really explore these in detail, although I&#8217;m very curious to know what he thinks.  Having done a lot of thinking about the Trinity in the Old Testament, I find it obvious that the gospels frequently identify Jesus as the Angel of the LORD / the Visible LORD who was so active throughout Old Testament times.  But it&#8217;s still lots of fun finding more passages to prove my case!</p>
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		<title>The pre-existent Jesus</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 10:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tim V-B</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I haven&#8217;t posted much about my views of the Old Testament and the many many times that Jesus Christ (before the incarnation) appears. You&#8217;ll have to check out Christ The Truth for more. It is my conviction that a lot of Jesus&#8217; words and actions make sense when you realise he is saying, in effect, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t posted much about my views of the Old Testament and the many many times that Jesus Christ (before the incarnation) appears.  You&#8217;ll have to check out <a href="http://www.christthetruth.org.uk" title="Christ The Truth" target="_blank">Christ The Truth</a> for more.  It is my conviction that a lot of Jesus&#8217; words and actions make sense when you realise he is saying, in effect, &#8220;Remember all those things the LORD God did, the things you read about in the Old Testament?  That was me!&#8221;</p>
<p>The NT scholar Simon Gathercole has written <a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0802829015/ref=reg_hu-wl_mrai-recs" target="_blank">a book</a> outlining evidence for this in the Synoptic Gospels (Matthew, Mark and Luke).  He gave some talks in 2004 that formed the basis of the book, which have now been posted online, together with two others:</p>
<li><a href="http://www.sbts.edu/MP3/gheens2004/20041110gathercole_part01.mp3">The Synoptic &#8220;I Have Come&#8221; Sayings of Jesus and Pre-Existence, Part 1</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.sbts.edu/MP3/gheens2004/20041110gathercole_part02.mp3">The Synoptic &#8220;I Have Come&#8221; Sayings of Jesus and Pre-Existence, Part 2</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.sbts.edu/MP3/gheens2004/20041110gathercole_part03.mp3">The Synoptic &#8220;I Have Come&#8221; Sayings of Jesus and Pre-Existence, Part 3 </a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.sbts.edu/MP3/gheens2004/20041115gathercole_01.mp3">Sin in God&#8217;s Economy: Agencies in Romans 1 &amp; 7                                               </a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.sbts.edu/MP3/gheens2004/20041115gathercole_02.mp3">The Petrine and Pauline Sola Fide in Galations 2</a></li>
<p>[HT <a href="http://theologica.blogspot.com/2008/03/gheens-lectures-by-simon-gathercole.html" title="Justin Taylor at Between Two Worlds" target="_blank">Between Two Worlds</a>]</p>
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