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		<title>Fresh Expressions, 1885</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 17:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tim V-B</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Churches that are with the times / missional / evangelistic / incarnational / contextualised (or whatever other jargon word you like) like to start new services to reach those who don&#8217;t come to church.   In the Church of England it&#8217;s called a &#8220;Fresh Expression.&#8221; Here&#8217;s a good example: Good News for our friends at Stonefield. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Churches that are with the times / missional / evangelistic / incarnational / contextualised (or whatever other jargon word you like) like to start new services to reach those who don&#8217;t come to church.   In the Church of England it&#8217;s called a &#8220;Fresh Expression.&#8221;</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a good example:</p>
<blockquote><p>Good News for our friends at Stonefield. The Vicar has long been anxious to do something more for the spiritual needs of the increasing population of Stonefield. He has now finally decided to commence a Week-night Service, on Thursday evenings. It will commence on Thursday, February 5th, in the Stonefield Schoolroom, at 7.30 p.m.  The Service will last about an hour, and will be very <em>simple</em>, very <em>plain</em>, and very <em>hearty</em>.  It is intended especially for those in the neighbourhood who are not accustomed to bring to church. We trust it may prove an hour pleasantly and profitably spent. It will bring, we doubt not, a blessing to those who come, and to their homes. Books will be provided, and a hearty welcome given to any and all who come.</p></blockquote>
<p>What more do you want?  It meets in a school, is aimed at the outsider, is plain and passionate, and even meets on a midweek evening.  You won&#8217;t get more freshness out of a tube of toothpaste!</p>
<p>This was announced January 1885 in the Christ Church Parish Magazine.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Ecclesiastes+1%3A9">Ecclesiastes 1:9</a></p>
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		<title>Total Church audio has arrived</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 16:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tim V-B</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#8217;s arrived!  The following is taken directly from Goodmanson.com: The Audio for The Total Church North America Conference 2008 have now been uploaded. Total church is a way of thinking about church and mission in the 21st century which sees the local Christian community as integral to Christian living and Christian mission. The Christian life [...]]]></description>
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<p>It&#8217;s arrived!  The following is taken directly from Goodmanson.com:</p>
<p>The Audio for <a href="http://www.churchbootcamp.com/">The Total Church North America Conference 2008</a> have now been uploaded. Total church is a way of thinking about church and mission in the 21st century which sees the local Christian community as integral to Christian living and Christian mission. The Christian life is ‘total church’ &#8211; our identity is communal. View all at the <a href="http://www.churchbootcamp.com/session-archive/">Session Archive</a> or browse the Main &amp; Breakout sessions below:</p>
<h2>Main Sessions</h2>
<p><a href="http://www.churchbootcamp.com/sermon/a-community-centered-gospel">A Community-centered Gospel</a> – Steve Timmis<br />
The gospel is about a King who died to rescue a people who would reveal his character by their shared lives. In keeping with who I am ‘in Adam’, I individualize and privatize the gospel so that church is reduced to a necessary but often intrusive addendum. The gospel calls us to live ‘in Christ’ corporately and so show the power of the cross to reconcile and create community. (<a href="http://www.churchbootcamp.com/sermon/a-community-centered-gospel-qa">A Community-Centered Gospel Q&amp;A</a>)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.churchbootcamp.com/sermon/a-gospel-centered-community">A Gospel-centered Community</a> – Steve Timmis<br />
The gospel is that which creates, sustains, nurtures and perfects the church. To achieve this, the gospel needs to be at the center of all we are and do as the people of God. The gospel needs to be taken out of our pulpits and meetings and applied into the mundane and routine of our corporate and personal lives. (<a href="http://www.churchbootcamp.com/sermon/a-gospel-centered-community-qa">A Gospel-Centered Community Q&amp;A</a>)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.churchbootcamp.com/sermon/rethinking-attractional-church">Rethinking Attractional Church</a> – Tim Chester<br />
Attractional church (‘come to us’) and missional church (‘go to them’) are often set up as alternatives, yet throughout the Scriptures God calls his people to a life that attracts the nations. We can bring attractional and missional approaches together by re-conceiving church as a community rather than an event. (<a href="http://www.churchbootcamp.com/sermon/rethinking-attractional-church-qa">Rethinking Q&amp;A Session</a>)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.churchbootcamp.com/sermon/remodeling-attractional-church">Remodeling Attractional Church</a> – Steve Timmis<br />
As we focus more on the quality of our lives together rather than the slick performance of our Sunday meetings we will see how a gospel community is an integral and indispensable piece of the evangelism jigsaw. In fact, people won’t be able to fully understand the magnitude of what God has done in Christ without it. (<a href="http://www.churchbootcamp.com/sermon/remodeling-attractional-church-qa">Remodeling Q&amp;A Session</a>)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.churchbootcamp.com/sermon/making-disciples-for-missional-church-1">Making Disciples for Missional Church</a> – Tim Chester<br />
‘I’m free and belong to no man’ could be the slogan of our age. But Paul continues: ‘I make myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible.’ What kind of people are going to sustain a church planting movement? This session explores how the cross and resurrection should shape our lives. (<a href="http://www.churchbootcamp.com/sermon/making-disciples-for-missional-church-qa">Making Disciples Q&amp;A</a>)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.churchbootcamp.com/sermon/making-disciples-for-missional-church-2">Making Disciples in Missional Church</a> – Tim Chester<br />
This session looks at how we train and pastor one another in the context of ordinary life and the context of Christian community.</p>
<h2>Breakout Sessions</h2>
<p><a href="http://www.churchbootcamp.com/sermon/being-neighbors-a-gospel-strategy">Being Neighbors: a Gospel Strategy</a> (Steve Timmis)<br />
When so much emphasis is placed on being missional and incarnational, contextual and radical it’s easy to forget the simplicity and significance of the truth that gospel makes us into lovers, of both God and others. Instead of trying to send out edgy, hardcore dudes with body piercing and tattoos, we should be satisfied with sending people who will be the neighbors everyone wants to have as a neighbor.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.churchbootcamp.com/sermon/forming-a-gospel-community">Forming a Gospel Community</a> (Jeff Vanderstelt)<br />
Now that many are aware of the need to form gospel communities, how do we move from theology and theory to actual forming and leading them? This session will explore the process and the specifics of moving an individualistic group of people toward a gospel-centered community on mission.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.churchbootcamp.com/sermon/one-anothering-a-communal-gospel">One-Anothering: A Communal Gospel</a> (David Fairchild)<br />
Why are so many Christians detached and isolated from one another? How can we experience a radically reshaped community? What kind of social ethic does the Gospel produce? What would it look like if we lived lives together as if the Gospel were true? Join us as we unpack the various “one another” passages in a quest to answer these questions together.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.churchbootcamp.com/sermon/evangelising-the-urban-poor">Evangelising the Urban Poor</a> (Tim Chester)<br />
We have endless resources on reaching postmoderns, most of which in fact address student and professional culture. In comparison there’s very little on understanding and reaching the urban poor. Drawing on insights from biblical counselling, this session suggests some ways forward for evangelizing and discipling the urban poor. Join the work-in-progress!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.churchbootcamp.com/sermon/story--rhythm-of-soma-community">Story &amp; Rhythm of Soma Community</a> (Caesar Kalinowski)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.churchbootcamp.com/sermon/reading-cultural-texts">Reading Cultural Texts</a> (Mike Gunn)<br />
This is a missional gaze at pop culture. We will be taking a look at the “Other” gospels in our culture (Media, film, books, etc.), and how to read them in a way that can help propel you to a better understanding of them for the sake of the gospel. We will look at the reason why this is important to our mission, as well as, some help for understanding and engaging pop culture in authentic ways.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.churchbootcamp.com/sermon/out-of-the-frying-pan-">Out of the Frying Pan…</a> (David Fairchild &amp; Mark Moore)<br />
Is God calling your church out of Ur? How do you get your church to move from traditional to missional? Both Mark Moore and David Fairchild are practicing church planters that initially planted relatively traditional churches built around the Sunday gathering. As they labored to develop deep community as a gospel display people for their cities, they realized things needed to change. Come and hear their stories and insights as they share what pitfalls to avoid and what challenges to accept as missional leaders. This breakout is intended for anyone looking to turn the corner missionwards!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.churchbootcamp.com/sermon/beyond-total-church--sowing-the-seeds-of-a-movement">Beyond Total Church – Sowing the Seeds of a Movement</a> (Tim Chester)<br />
How can we plant churches that plant churches? What can we learn from church planting movements? How can we build in reproducibility?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.churchbootcamp.com/sermon/communication-in-a-post-christian-world/"><br />
Communication in a Post-Christian World</a> (Drew Goodmanson &amp; Caesar Kalinowski)<br />
The culture is changing and it requires new thought in communication. This session will help you learn how to effectively minister in a post-Christian context. Come learn the 1) five values of this Post-Christian generation, the 2) ten idols that enslave them and 3) effective ways to communicate the eternal and unchanging gospel message.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.churchbootcamp.com/sermon/the-everyday-rhythms-of-a-gospel-display-people">The Everyday Rhythms of a Gospel Display People</a> (Jeff Vanderstelt)<br />
The gospel community is called to be a display of the gospel in everyday ways of life so that others might see what their life would look like in the gospel. In order to do this, the church needs to lead their people to identify everyday practices and then lead them to live out their identity in Christ within them. This session will identify some of those everyday rhythms and and then explore how we can display the gospel through them.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.churchbootcamp.com/sermon/true-gospel-community-in-a-truly-big-metroplex">True Gospel Community in a Truly Big Metroplex</a> (Mark Moore)<br />
Being a gospel community that does life and mission together is sometimes easier said than done. This is especially the case in large cities that are characterized by sprawl as well as population. This session will concentrate on leading your people to make missionary decisions in their everyday lives in response to the gospel. Specific challenges to this way of life in a metroplex setting will be examined.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.churchbootcamp.com/sermon/reaching-the-domains-of-society">Reaching the Domains of Society</a> (Drew Goodmanson &amp; Caesar Kalinowski)<br />
How do we bring gospel renewal to our cities in the 7 pillars of society… Business, Education, Healthcare, Government, Media, Social Services [including other churches] &amp; Marginalized? We believe the gospel informs all of life and this good news helps shape how we view the world and our involvement in it. How do we equip Christians to engage in redemptive work in science, politics, art, culture, business, economics, education, local concerns, mercy ministries, social justice, environmentalism, law, media, social concerns and spirituality.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.churchbootcamp.com/sermon/panel-qa-session">Panel Q/A Session</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.churchbootcamp.com/sermon/wrapping-up-total-church">Wrapping up Total Church</a> (Tim Chester)<br />
This session will be built around the questions of those attending, especially concerning the application and implications for the issues Tim raised during his main sessions.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.churchbootcamp.com/sermon/developing-missional-leaders">Developing Missional Leaders</a> (Jeff Vanderstelt)<br />
There is plenty of opportunity to hear and learn about being a gospel-centered church on mission. And, after a few days at a conference, the tendency of teachers and preachers is to go home and tell our people to get going. If we are going to lead a gospel-centered church on mission we must do more than that. During this session we will explore some ways to identify, equip and support a group of gospel-centered leaders to share in leading the mission with us.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.churchbootcamp.com/sermon/urban-discipleship">Urban Discipleship</a> (Mike Gunn)<br />
The city holds more than 50% of of the world’s population, and is growing rapidly toward a world-wide megalopolis, while the church continues to migrate to the suburbs. The city also holds both the keys to the culture, and abyss of brokenness. In America our cities are becoming multi-ethnic/racial posing unique challenges and opportunities for our churches. In this session we will take a look at the role of the church (Make disciples), what it looks like to make disciples, and why we should be doing it in the cities of West and the world!</div>
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		<title>The latest on Lakeland</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tim V-B</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[If any of you have been following the Lakeland Revival and Todd Bentley, whether as a fan, critic, or simply because others are talking about it &#8211; we need to pray for Todd and his wife Shonnah.  On August 12th it was announced that the two were separating.  I think his public ministry has ceased [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If any of you have been following the Lakeland Revival and Todd Bentley, whether as a fan, critic, or simply because others are talking about it &#8211; we need to pray for Todd and his wife Shonnah.  On August 12th <a href="http://www.charismamag.com/cms/news/archives/081208a.php">it was announced</a> that the two were separating.  I think his public ministry has ceased for the time being, which was the right thing to do.</p>
<p>As you might expect there is all sorts of analysis and &#8220;<a href="http://gospeldrivenchurch.blogspot.com/2008/08/defenders-and-admirers-of-todd-bentley.html">I told you so</a>&#8220;.  Actually, that &#8220;I told you so&#8221; article is a good read.  I think he&#8217;s right.</p>
<p>J. Lee Grady, editor of Charisma magazine, wrote <a href="http://fireinmybones.com/index.php?col=081308">an extremely good piece</a> asking some hard questions:</p>
<blockquote><p>Why did so many people flock to Lakeland from around the world to rally behind an evangelist who had serious credibility issues from the beginning?</p>
<p>Why didn’t anyone in Lakeland denounce the favorable comments Bentley made about William Branham?</p>
<p>Why did God TV tell people that “any criticism of Todd Bentley is demonic”?</p>
<p>Why did a group of respected ministers lay hands on Bentley on June 23 and publicly ordain him? Did they know of his personal problems?</p>
<p>Can anything good come out of this?</p></blockquote>
<p>Over at Cerulean Sanctum (which I linked to the last time I mentioned Todd Bentley) there are some excellent posts about what needs to happen now in the Charismatic camp.  Although I don&#8217;t self-identify as a charismatic, it is my background (sort of, don&#8217;t ask!) and I certainly believe the charismatic movement has brought to the fore some things that were missing from the Christian scene.  Have a read of the articles yourselves; here (in summary) are a few of the problems and solutions Dan writes about:</p>
<p>From <a href="http://ceruleansanctum.com/2008/08/cleansing-the-charismatic-crackup-part-1.html">&#8220;Cleansing the Charismatic Crackup &#8211; Part 1&#8243;</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Problem: In our rush to regain a proper pneumatology, today’s charismatics abandoned a proper Christology.<br />
Solution: We need to get the focus back on Jesus.</p>
<p>Problems: Too much of the charismatic movement is self-centered. People rush around looking for a spiritual fix for selfish reasons. Too many are obsessed with more power. Too many leaders lack even the most basic humility.</p>
<p>Solution: Get the cross back into the picture.</p>
<p>Problems: Discernment of any kind is sorely lacking at all levels within the movement. Many charismatic teachers craft entire theologies from disconnected or lone passages of Scripture.</p>
<p>Solution: Build a holistic worldview by teaching the Bible from cover to cover, not from topic to topic.</p></blockquote>
<p>From <a href="http://ceruleansanctum.com/2008/08/cleansing-the-charismatic-crackup-part-2.html">Part 2</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Problems: Too many charismatics are more interested in what they can get than what they can give. Also, we love to talk about taking dominion over the kingdom of darkness, but we forget the primary means by which we cripple the Enemy’s purposes.</p>
<p>Solution: We need to be drilled on the Great Commission.</p>
<p>Problem: The charismatic movement is a cult—of celebrity.</p>
<p>Solution: Time for the old guard, who failed to guard what they were entrusted with, to get off the stage.</p>
<p>Problem: We let the miraculous enthrall us.</p>
<p>Solution: We need to be more discerning and less surprised by the miraculous.</p>
<p>Problem: The charismatic movement is obsessed with novelty.</p>
<p>Solution: We must understand that there is nothing new under the sun.</p>
<p>Problem: We continue to tolerate the aberrations of the past, the worst excesses of the charismatic movement, digging them up repeatedly for each new generation after they were long buried.</p>
<p>Solution: It’s time to grow up and face today. In many cases, the good old days weren’t all that good. Wrong doesn’t get right over time.</p></blockquote>
<p>These are good solutions even if you are not Charismatic at all. Keep it focussed on Jesus.  Preach the Word.  Keep the gospel the main thing.  You might not end up on God TV, but you will hear &#8220;Well done, good and faithful servant&#8221; from the one who really counts.</p>
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		<title>Confession, healing and small groups</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tim V-B</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A few weeks ago I was preaching on James 5:13-20.  In these verses James seems to be drawing some sort of connection between sin that needs forgiveness, and physical healing.  It is not a direct connection &#8211; verse 15 (&#8220;if he has sinned&#8230;&#8221;) makes that clear.  But verse 16 encourages us all to be confessing [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few weeks ago I was preaching on James 5:13-20.  In these verses James seems to be drawing some sort of connection between sin that needs forgiveness, and physical healing.  It is not a direct connection &#8211; verse 15 (&#8220;<strong>if</strong> he has sinned&#8230;&#8221;) makes that clear.  But verse 16 encourages us all to be confessing sins to each other and pray for each other &#8220;so that you may be healed.&#8221;</p>
<p>There was an illustration I wanted to use &#8211; one John Piper used in connection with the value of small groups.  Only problem: I couldn&#8217;t remember where on the web I&#8217;d found it, and in the end had to give up searching.</p>
<p>But now I&#8217;ve found it.  It&#8217;s from a John Piper sermon reproduced <a href="http://theresurgence.com/john_piper_1995-09-17_how_christ_enables_the_church_to_upbuild_itself_in_love" target="_self">here</a> on the Resurgence website.  The illustration is as follows:</p>
<blockquote><p>A visiting pastor in Auckland, New Zealand was asked by the pastor of a church to come to a small group to help it understand its function. He came early for dinner and the husband was not there. The wife was embarrassed and explained that the husband owned a construction company and worked late.</p>
<p>The group arrived after dinner and the visiting pastor taught for a while on how to use spiritual gifts to build each other up. Then he asked them to get alone for a few minutes to seek God for how each one might channel God&#8217;s grace to the others for their upbuilding.</p>
<p>When they came back together he assumed they knew each other&#8217;s needs because they had been together for several years. The husband came home, showered and joined them in a few minutes. When the opportunity was given to speak or to pray for each other there was an awkward silence. They had never done anything like this before—seeking the Lord for how he might want them to minister to each other in that moment to build each other up.</p>
<p>The visiting pastor felt a fiasco was on his hands and turned the meeting back to the pastor to close. The pastor asked if anyone had a special problem they would like prayer for. The hostess said yes and showed the group the rash all over her arms. She said that the doctors had prescribed medicine but it hadn&#8217;t helped. They invited her to put her chair in the middle for prayer. And as they prayed, Christ, the head of the church, did his ministry. The pastor said, &#8220;I sense in my heart the Lord is telling me your problem is the result of great anger.&#8221;</p>
<p>She was silent for a moment then began to cry softly. Then she confessed, &#8220;I am so angry at my husband. He promises to be home for dinner , but night after night we eat without him. . . . He&#8217;s broken his promises to me over and over, and I feel I am a widow as I raise our children.&#8221;</p>
<p>There was an awareness that something had just been revealed that two years of small group meetings had not revealed. And the husband was blushing with embarrassment.</p>
<p>To make the story shorter, several of the men began to speak about how they had wrestled with the same problem in their homes and had almost ruined their marriages. One in particular spoke of a deep meeting with God in such a crisis and how God had made everything new.</p>
<p>By the grace of God the husband knelt down in front of his wife and wept into her lap, as the group prayed for them more earnestly than they had ever prayed. The visiting pastor commented later, &#8220;The Lord had invaded His Body, and the gateway into the supernatural world had been crossed by us all.&#8221;</p>
<p>The following Sunday the visiting pastor was to preach and saw the small group gathered on the parking lot outside the church. When they found him inside the woman pulled up her sleeves and said, &#8220;Look, no rash anywhere!&#8221; The husband approached and said, &#8220;I&#8217;ve cut back my workday to eight hours. I took the kids to the zoo yesterday. We have a new home.&#8221; (Ralph Neighbor, <em>Where Do We Go From Here?</em> p. 161-64)</p></blockquote>
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		<title>Children in church</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 09:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tim V-B</dc:creator>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I come across a lot of useful links as I wander the web.  But I&#8217;m never sure how to keep track of everything I like.  I&#8217;m going to start posting more of them here, which may bore you (who wants to read a blog full of &#8220;hey, this is interesting&#8221; posts) but at least it keeps me organised.  Well, a little less disorganised.  And you never know, you might like them!</p>
<p>On the topic of children in church here are two from Doug Wilson and his wife.</p>
<p>Asking &#8220;<a href="http://www.dougwils.com/index.asp?Action=Anchor&amp;CategoryID=1&amp;BlogID=5701">what does the Bible say about children in worship</a>&#8221; Doug answers &#8220;something like that whilst it is not a sin for the church to gather without the children and there are times when age specific teaching / addressing male heads of households / those who can understand etc. might be appropriate, as a norm the kids should we welcomed and included.&#8221; (taken straight from <a href="http://marclloyd.blogspot.com/2008/07/little-ones-in-church.html">Marc Lloyd</a>)</p>
<p>Nancy Wilson <a href="http://femina.reformedblogs.com/2008/07/24/little-ones-in-church/">gives a description</a> of what goes on at Christ Church, Moscow (Idaho).</p>
<p>Two things come to mind:</p>
<p>It is hard work keeping young children in church, especially for mums on their own (for whatever reason, e.g. husband is the curate!)</p>
<p>Many evangelical churches want the Sunday morning service to be accessible for newcomers / guests / visitors etc.  Having groups for children is very attractive to such people, whose children are unlikely to have been trained to sit still and pay attention for the duration of the service.  Having the whole family together for the service is a noble goal, but is it too much of a hurdle for those who don&#8217;t share such convictions, and would this make church alienating?</p>
<p>And on the same topic of challenging the status quo, over at Google Books you can read (in entirety) a short 22 page book called &#8220;<a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=ciK_2KFT7TgC&amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;source=gbs_summary_r&amp;cad=0#PPP1,M1">Critique of Modern Youth Ministry</a>&#8220;.  It argues that the idea of splitting people into age groups and tailoring activities especially for each, especially in church, is a very recent phenomenon.  It has contributed to the terrible situation we now face in which many parents leave their children&#8217;s spiritual growth to the Sunday school / youth worker.  This may be an odd thing to post, given that I&#8217;m extremely excited for Adam Rushton to be arriving as our Assistant Minister for Youth, but I know he shares pretty much the same conviction.</p>
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