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	<title>Pastoral Ponderings &#187; liturgy</title>
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		<title>We do what at church?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim V-B</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#8217;s always a favourite conversation among church leaders &#8211; what do we think about Baptism (infant or otherwise), the Lord&#8217;s Supper (how often, at what age) and liturgy (why having it is wrong, even though we do everything the same way each week&#8230;). This post here &#8211; &#8220;Conversations with Nathan&#8221; &#8211; is a fantastic read [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s always a favourite conversation among church leaders &#8211; what do we think about Baptism (infant or otherwise), the Lord&#8217;s Supper (how often, at what age) and liturgy (why having it is wrong, even though we do everything the same way each week&#8230;).  This post <a href="http://date-dabitur.com/?page_id=290">here &#8211; &#8220;Conversations with Nathan&#8221; &#8211; </a> is a fantastic read &#8211; a true conversation between a teenager and father who visited one particular church in America.  Even if you disagree with the teenager&#8217;s point of view you will enjoy it.</p>
<p>A sample:<br />
<blockquote>Nathan: Why are they so afraid of liturgy? We could explain that it isn’t hard to mean it when you say it.</p>
<p>Papa: But they won’t want to do it anyway. They want to be different every week.</p>
<p>Nathan: Really? Different every week?</p>
<p>Papa: Yes.</p>
<p>Nathan: What do they do differently? Do they sometimes take the offering at the end of the service instead of in the middle?</p>
<p>Papa: No. That’s always at the same time.</p>
<p>Nathan: Do they sometimes have the preaching at the beginning?</p>
<p>Papa: No, that’s at the same time too.</p>
<p>Nathan: Then what do they do that’s different?</p>
<p>Papa: They sing different songs.</p>
<p>Nathan: So does our church.</p>
<p>Papa: Well, it really comes down to the fact that they don’t have prayers and responses for the congregation to read.</p>
<p>Nathan: Why not?</p>
<p>Papa: They think that reading prayers and responses keeps people from worshiping.</p>
<p>Nathan: Really? What do they think the people should do instead?</p>
<p>Papa: Just sit there and do nothing.</p></blockquote>
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