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	<title>Pastoral Ponderings &#187; what is church</title>
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		<title>We do what at church?</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 07:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tim V-B</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#8217;s always a favourite conversation among church leaders &#8211; what do we think about Baptism (infant or otherwise), the Lord&#8217;s Supper (how often, at what age) and liturgy (why having it is wrong, even though we do everything the same way each week&#8230;). This post here &#8211; &#8220;Conversations with Nathan&#8221; &#8211; is a fantastic read [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s always a favourite conversation among church leaders &#8211; what do we think about Baptism (infant or otherwise), the Lord&#8217;s Supper (how often, at what age) and liturgy (why having it is wrong, even though we do everything the same way each week&#8230;).  This post <a href="http://date-dabitur.com/?page_id=290">here &#8211; &#8220;Conversations with Nathan&#8221; &#8211; </a> is a fantastic read &#8211; a true conversation between a teenager and father who visited one particular church in America.  Even if you disagree with the teenager&#8217;s point of view you will enjoy it.</p>
<p>A sample:<br />
<blockquote>Nathan: Why are they so afraid of liturgy? We could explain that it isn’t hard to mean it when you say it.</p>
<p>Papa: But they won’t want to do it anyway. They want to be different every week.</p>
<p>Nathan: Really? Different every week?</p>
<p>Papa: Yes.</p>
<p>Nathan: What do they do differently? Do they sometimes take the offering at the end of the service instead of in the middle?</p>
<p>Papa: No. That’s always at the same time.</p>
<p>Nathan: Do they sometimes have the preaching at the beginning?</p>
<p>Papa: No, that’s at the same time too.</p>
<p>Nathan: Then what do they do that’s different?</p>
<p>Papa: They sing different songs.</p>
<p>Nathan: So does our church.</p>
<p>Papa: Well, it really comes down to the fact that they don’t have prayers and responses for the congregation to read.</p>
<p>Nathan: Why not?</p>
<p>Papa: They think that reading prayers and responses keeps people from worshiping.</p>
<p>Nathan: Really? What do they think the people should do instead?</p>
<p>Papa: Just sit there and do nothing.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>Church is more exciting than you think!</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 09:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tim V-B</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Many local churches have their share of people who turn up on Sunday, slip away before coffee and are not seen until next week. There may be all sorts of reasons for this, good and bad. Maybe one reason is because people have not caught a vision of what the Church is called to be. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many local churches have their share of people who turn up on Sunday, slip away before coffee and are not seen until next week.  There may be all sorts of reasons for this, good and bad.  Maybe one reason is because people have not caught a vision of what the Church is called to be.  Is is simply a feeding-station as we wait for heaven?  Or a place to carry out our religious duties?</p>
<p>Ephesians is possibly <span style="font-style: italic;">the</span> book to read to get a fantastic vision of the Church.  Time would be well-spent simply pondering the different titles and descriptions we are given, such as &#8216;saints&#8217; or &#8216;God&#8217;s household&#8217;.</p>
<p>A verse that continues to amaze me is Ephesians 3:10 -</p>
<blockquote><p>God&#8217;s intent was that now, through the church, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>It takes a bit of digging around Ephesians to work out what this means, but basically it is saying that as the church demonstrates the unity we have in the Spirit (a unity of different races and backgrounds) God&#8217;s wise plan (of bringing all things under Christ, see 1:10) is made known to the evil spiritual rulers and authorities (see 6:12).   Go <a href="http://theresurgence.com/john_piper_1981-03-22_the_cosmic_church">here </a>to read a sermon by John Piper on this verse: it will transform the way you understand the purpose of church!</p>
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